Rules for editors?

[yeppie]

Why it is rude?
Editing is not made for him, it is made for wide audience.
It is not some song or anything like it, where creator specific view must be preserved.
It is just amateur recording.

P.S. I had been moderator for like 30 years, and had communities myself. Idea to ask for such thing in reality means.. just total stop. I know that I am talking about, contrary to you.

Now this last remark is rude. You sometimes sound like you think that you are the one we all waited for and that nobody else here knows what they are doing. You have no idea what emmpet´s story is, he definitely earned to be respected, not only because of his standing in this community. He for example has edited a lot of files when the uploaders asked him to. I myself told you before that it is good behaviour asking members if they like their sounds edited. Experienced members know that some do, some don´t. And by the way, my job history includes being a moderator online and offline since 1995 ... so almost 30 years. Although this needs not to be mentioned to ask for being respected.

We have a tradition of being respectful in this community and so far this did not mean total stop. You got a reply of the op already which shows how good this could have worked. Thanks greylockride.

[maximka77]

Now this last remark is rude. You sometimes sound like you think that you are the one we all waited for and that nobody else here knows what they are doing. You have no idea what emmpet´s story is, he definitely earned to be respected, not only because of his standing in this community. He for example has edited a lot of files when the uploaders asked him to. I myself told you before that it is good behaviour asking members if they like their sounds edited. Experienced members know that some do, some don´t. And by the way, my job history includes being a moderator online and offline since 1995 ... so almost 30 years. Although this needs not to be mentioned to ask for being respected.

We have a tradition of being respectful in this community and so far this did not mean total stop. You got a reply of the op already which shows how good this could have worked. Thanks greylockride.

>You sometimes sound like you think that you are the one we all waited for and that nobody else here knows what they are doing.

I here didn't post anything that can lead to such conclusions. I prized all authors and just mention one time that record author has recorder with hardware fault and it can be useful to replace it.

Why not just send PM and talk to clear things out?

I am not doing anything wrong. All I did is editing usual nice but noisy amateur recordings. It is not because people are worse than me, it is because people are just usual people, even who record a lot. They are not required to know a lot, it is not their field.
It is forum, for me PM's are not working, do not know if for all else. So, not only I'll be making useless noise posting in topics with such strange permission, but I'll be getting replies rarely, with big delays, if at all. This is that I mean under full stop. No one will be doing editing in such way.
And I told that I have real experience, it is not some thought to avoid asking.

[yeppie]

Thanks for your reply maximka77.

>You sometimes sound like you think that you are the one we all waited for and that nobody else here knows what they are doing.

I here didn't post anything that can lead to such conclusions. I prized all authors and just mention one time that record author has recorder with hardware fault and it can be useful to replace it.

I did not make this up but I received messages from at least 3 longtime members who feel like this.

Why not just send PM and talk to clear things out?

Because PM has been widely deactivated as announced. Most topics can be of general concern and (public) communication is the holy grail of a community.
You are right, we should not use greylockride´s topic so I separated this part of the discussion to a new topic.

I am not doing anything wrong. All I did is editing usual nice but noisy amateur recordings. It is not because people are worse than me, it is because people are just usual people, even who record a lot. They are not required to know a lot, it is not their field.
It is forum, for me PM's are not working, do not know if for all else. So, not only I'll be making useless noise posting in topics with such strange permission, but I'll be getting replies rarely, with big delays, if at all. This is that I mean under full stop. No one will be doing editing in such way.
And I told that I have real experience, it is not some thought to avoid asking.

We can agree to disagree if you are doing anything wrong but you getting no reply may mean that many members are not happy with what you are doing. Other members have reacted and said "thanks" to your edits so "full stop" has already been disputed. And there is a small chance that members like emmpet8 or me have gained some experience in this community that is different from what you learned somewhere else.

[maximka77]

>I did not make this up but I received messages from at least 3 longtime members who feel like this.

Who are this people, lets invite them together and discuss. Make special topic, send them message as somehow you got messages from them.
I am open. I don't like stuff happening behind curtain. And I don't like any elitism, I believe in equality of people.
I didn't get anything from anyone (except you) that proves this for now.

>Most topics can be of general concern and (public) communication is the holy grail of a community.

Community requires PM, as it is very important part. Including feedback.
Like now, you tell me that some members are not happy, but members have no way to politely tell me in private.
Because you made such decision, I am certain you had some reasons behind this that I am not aware of.

>And there is a small chance that members like emmpet8 or me have gained some experience in this community that is different from what you learned somewhere else.

It seems like you want to make penis length contest here, no? By constantly comparing me to yourself or someone else. No?
It just feels that you are little intimidated and want to show who are the boss.
You are, no one is doubting this.
I prize any member and any experience as every human is different and each one is valuable.
This is the core of community. If I didn't understand this I won't be able to participate in communities as founder or moderator.

[mjj9994]

Hello maximka77,

I honestly did not even know you were on the forum until another member pointed it out. That said, reading through your posts i get the impression you consistently have a condescending and dismissive attitude towards others here. At this forum we try to support poster's efforts as this hobby can be challenging in various ways (getting sounds, getting the right equipment and conditions, etc.).

While we appreciate any technical and professional skills some members may bring to the group, we do not actively seek people with these skills, nor would we allow them to treat any other members here with disdain. We have and always will try to encourage members to post any sounds they are generous enough to share without having to feel they may be ridiculed or somehow felt dismissed.

I believe the message that Yeppie is trying to convey is to "play nice" and if someone wishes to offer assistance that could be done with a simple "I could clean that clip up for you if you want" rather than listing all the negatives about a clip.

[maximka77]

Please provide me samples of " you consistently have a condescending and dismissive attitude towards others". As you also said that it is consistent, so it must be almost every of my messages.

What kind of negative things I posted about the clips?

I remember only mentioned recorder with hardware faults, and such info can be very valuable, as it is many recording from this member here.
I can also mention handling, but it is not belittling, it is just professional mention so it'll be clear that I made. I remove handling and same way tell it (including open community) for professionals with 30-40 years experience making interviews. As you have handling sounds if you hold mike sometimes.

As I do editing only for clips I like, I prize members.

I asked @yeppie to invite to discussion three members he mentioned who didn't like edited clips (as I understood all of them are not authors). And instead I got strange silent shadow ban, breaking community rules. Without any warning or message, leaving me in usual members group, but hiding all edited clips (and it is many, as I got >100 likes) and preventing me to even downloading clips.

My position is open - if anyone is unhappy - he can post or tell and never got his clips touched. For now I sow opposite postings with authors liking it.

[mjj9994]

You obviously missed the entire spirit of my post and have failed to grasp the concept of playing well with others. That said, I am disengaging from this conversation and best of luck to you.

[maximka77]

You obviously missed the entire spirit of my post and have failed to grasp the concept of playing well with others. That said, I am disengaging from this conversation and best of luck to you.

I asked you to provide samples, so I could understand exactly that is wrong. You refused to do so with this reply, but you try to keep the face.

Playing well with others at first requires honesty and open discussion. And equality among members. Any member is valuable.
I instantly proposed open honest discussion and correcting my approach in case something is wrong. But we need to understand that is wrong and get word from real clip authors.

Let's do it.

But you here actually proposed that somehow YOUR sole opinion must be set above others, not counting authors opinions. Not counting mine. Why?

I got 132 likes in very short time (and it had been more than 150 already if not the silent ban made by admin without any discussion or notice) very close to 170 likes you got since 2005. Isn't community members expressing total disagreement with your words? I believe they do.

[yeppie]

Exactly what mjj9994 said. It is futile to talk to you because nothing I said, what emmpet8 said or what mjj9994 has said now seemed to make any sense to you, and nothing you said made any sense to any of us, to put it very politely. On the contrary, you took every opportunity to insult us after we criticized your activities on the forum. And no, I'm not providing examples because you wouldn't get any of them, but again respond with lies and insults. It should suffice that three of the active long-term members of the community tried to discuss and in short time have come to the same conclusion: it's simply pointless to talk under these conditions.

End of this discussion, topic closed.